• venotic@kbin.melroy.orgBanned from community
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    23 days ago

    And they all died because one psychopathic old fart simply just wanted to take over majority of or the entire country of another for personal gain.

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      22 days ago

      Yeah, but let’s keep hating every russian, because they ‘freely choose to enlist’ and invade other countries. They love being shelled by Nato artillery 🥰

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        22 days ago

        They didn’t freely choose to enlist but if you put a gun in my hand and tell me kill that innocent person I will rather shoot the person giving me the order

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          22 days ago

          I think both of you are oversimplifying.

          Choice and freedom take on an entirely different meaning when you have a state media bombarding you with anti-Ukraine propaganda 24/7. It’s easy for us to say from the sidelines that we’d never get swept up in a war against innocents, but probably a lot of the soldiers have been fully indoctrinated with the idea that Ukraine are a threat to their families. Not to mention they probably now have friends and family who have been killed or wounded in this war.

          Putin is the real villain here. He not only started the war, he’s the one who has kept it going by his refusal to withdraw troops, silenced political opposition, lied to his population, influenced global politics in his favour by buying elections, and used his subjects as fodder in this pointless war.

          It’s fucking twisted the amount of suffering one thoroughly evil man can cause.

          • bigFab@lemmy.world
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            21 days ago

            Well, now you are oversimplifying world politics to one man’s deeds. As if Nato expansionism did not play any role in the creation of this conflict. Read a little history before 2023 and you’ll see acquiring Ukraine is been a race between Nato and Russia since at least 2014.

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              21 days ago

              Russia had already invaded in 2014, and successfully got a puppet as president in 2010.

              NATO doesn’t expand by conquest, countries choose freely to join and other countries (especially hostile ones) don’t get to dictate the alliances of their neighbours.

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                20 days ago

                Yeah, Nato is such a saint entity who ‘freely’ bombs Yugoslavia and Libya.

                Nato’s whole purpose is to deter Russia and will not stop until whole east Europe is pointing missiles at it. Do you believe that’s a ‘random freely admittance’ policy?

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                  20 days ago

                  Yes the whole point of a DEFENSIVE alliance is to defend against a known aggressor, thank you for clarifying

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    23 days ago

    You have more in common with those soldiers than you do with the warpigs pulling the strings that led them to their deaths.

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      23 days ago

      So… You have a lot of common with people who are ready to go kill in exchange for money?

      Oh wowzies.

      Also what a damn bad dichotomy: either side with killers for money or those who pay them to kill.

      For once, a normal human being will not side with either of.

      edit: oh keep them downvotes coming, keep yourself counting all y’all who think killing for money is ok ¯_(ツ)_/¯.

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        23 days ago

        You mean the 18-30 y/o men who are conscripted into compulsory military service for a year? Kinda sounds like a lot of them might not have much choice, barring gulag or suicide, in the matter.

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            23 days ago

            I just believe the righteous antipathy is better leveled at the Russian government, specifically Putin, than the anonymous cannon fodder.

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              23 days ago

              I prefer to hate everyone willing to kill me, my friends, my family, take over my country equally. Especially so, if they do it for money, for ten years.

              Hard to grasp such a complex concept, I understand.

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                23 days ago

                I can understand why you feel the way you do and cannot dispute it is a hatred you’ve earned.

                Just like I wouldn’t be able to blame any Canadian for hating every US soldier if the US were to invade Canada.

                I personally feel bad for every person involved in something as horrible as fighting in a war. I wish their hearts, brains, and energies could instead be employed in something peaceful, helpful, and beneficial for the future.