But they won’t as they actually love their dependence.
Not long ago they terminated their years long test run of hosting their own fediverse instances with what condensed down to basically “it was very successful and really worked well; but we don’t care, so we can’t be bothered to operate them any longer”.
You want to focus on the specifics of the military supplies.
No, I want people to use their brains again. And leave that bullshit reality behind were everything is about narratives over actual facts and arguments and every conflict is a fucking teamsport with the goal to scream your side’s narrative the loudest.
I would love to criticise Israel’s genocidal settler policies and their even worse actions in Gaza right now, but without fucking antisemites loudly agreeing how Israel needs to be destroyed while some neonazis (of all possible “allies” of Israel) insult me as a supporter of muslim extremist terrorists.
I would love to criticise Hamas attacks on Israel without being lextured by some mentally unstable leftists about how there was no attack but only an act of self-defense (preferably on stage with well-ducumented antisemites), or criticise the morons cheering and distributing candy on the streets in Germany when those attacks happened without some room-temperature IQ nazi agreeing because that scum should be deported anyway.
I would love to discuss Germany’s actual support of Israel and the implications objectively. I would love to talk about dual-use stuff like com equipment or spare parts for motors and how they should not be delivered at all while missiles to shoot down drones are a completely different thing… but I won’t do so with people screaming about anti-air frigattes (for a country actually actively attacked by neighbours) being support for a Palestinian genocide; neither will I discuss this with people that pretend that this pseudo-fascist club of fanatics in Israel’s government is sane…
In short: I would love to in fact not focus on any one aspect, because there are a lot of factors in a complex situation. And most certainly there is no black and white. But at the moment both sides are mostly insane, and even the ones seeming somewhat sane happily stand beside extremist morons if those happen to sing the correct “team song” at that moment. And so I will keep disrupting both side’s narratives -that exactly lead nowhere ever- with details that don’t fit the story, because we need to leave those stories (and the tribal sentiments) behind.
why would nations everywhere develop incredibly expensive mine-clearing systems?
Because you are primarily talking about anti-vehicle mines that can be well buried and are much less sensitive.
So with the new META changes it does feel that we’re arguing about nothing substantial at this point.
That is the actual point though. Not so much substantial for the actual war going on now (besides “hey, we still have those stocks and they are already paid for”), very substantial for the child getting his hand ripped of by a DPICM dud 10 years down the line.
No, I mean the mechanized assaults that constantly fail because of mainly anti-vehicle mines and artillery, with the infantry stranded on foot then being easily picked off by drones or more artillery.
Just because it’s insane for us how a country would waste living beings in constantly failing armoured assaults this way and loves to frame it as “meat waves” doesn’t make this actual foot infantry assaults. Actual infantry movement (the reasons I refered to “marching”) that would make anti-personal mining reasonable doesn’t exist anymore and would fail for a mix of modern reconnaissance and artillery precision nowadays 100 out of 100 times.
Speaking of artillery… Have you actually seen the locations totally bombed to the ground before Russians move forward another few meters. No amount of mining with anti-personal mines would survive that well enough to actually deter soldiers. It only leaves just enough somewhat still functional explosives behind that are as likely to kill some singular enemy soldier tomorrow as some civilians in 5 years.
And thinking that “look I’m helpless, please don’t kill me and take my stuff, because I was nice and made it easier for you” is something else than naive hope?
Also arguing for rocket artillery to replace casual artillery is… Strange.
I didn’t. But rocket artillery is the common application of cluster ammunition, in particular when you talk effectiveness in Ukraine because then it’s indeed M30 GLMRS fired by M270 and M142. Tube artillery is already fragmentation-based… for all the exact same reasons.
If we are talking about cluster ammunition we are talking exclusively about existing older stocks of very specific systems. Because nobody would waste money on newly developing and producing those when nowadays the alternatives are -as I said before- more effective and safer, while also being cheaper.
“Fascism is when someone argues with actual facts that don’t support my narrative.”
Now you are pretending to be dumb, aren’t you?
Being able to properly defend yourself so an aggressor will not risk attacking in the first place will prevent a war.
Showing how helpless you are and asking an aggressor nicely to respect that and not invade you will not.
It actually is that easy.
Correct. They have ruled that Germany is not taking part in it. Because 91% of the deliveries to Israel for years consist of ships, anti-air and torpedos for their submarines (while the remaining stuff is armor, armored glass, protective gear -funny how helmets are a joke when delivered to Ukraine but a weapon to genocide Palestinians when they are going to Israel, isn’t it?- etc and in fact all “weapons” that are potentially to be used in Gaza were in fact reduced to zero.
Yet the narrative is important and so you will always return to “Germany being a big supplier for Israel”, constantly ignoring that we know what they actually supplied. And will twist my words as somehow being an argument against a genocide happening, when I did explicitly talk about the fact that Germany is supporting that genocide.
If you are so keen on “factual reasons” please tell me were my facts are wrong or how Israel is dropping corvettes on Gaza. (Yes that phrasing is polemic to make a point. You are free to do the same, if you actually have a point beyond I don’t want to acknowledge what doesn’t fit my narrative.
Cluster munitions and anti-personel mines are effective AF, seeing how the Ukrainian-Russian war is progressing.
Nope. Anti-vehicle mines are effective. Anti personal mines are of little use in comparison, unless actual infantry marching of foot return.
And cluster ammunition are effective in Ukraine for the simple reason that this is the best stuff they actually got, as the US is dumping their remaining old M30 stocks on them. The few remaining ones not already converted to M31 unitary warheads. While tungsten-shrapnel-based M31A1 and A2 have replaced them in their anti-infantry and anti-light-armor role because they are cheaper, safer and more efficient…
Your argument makes as much sense as advocating that NATO countries should go back to 50+ year old vehicles because they were effective in Ukraine when those were the best they got delivered.
Talking about “landmines” instead of anti-personal mines in the headline is pure sane-washing.
There is no treaty against the use of landmines. There is only one agains the use of anti-personal mines. And for good reasons: When have you seen armies actually marching on foot to make them relevant compared to anti-vehicle landmines the last time? Countries agreed on banning anti-presonal mines because there are very little benefits of using them, yet massiv drawbacks in the form of (often your own) population getting killed for years and decades to come from leftover mines.
PS: The same is true for cluster ammunitions btw. They were not banned because you want to be nice to your enemies but because they are unreliable and duds will kill your civilians still when the war is mostly forgotten. Also there are better (as in cheaper, safer and more effective) shrapnel-based alternatives nowadays. Unbanning those is similarly insane and basically a statement of “fuck my population, I want to use those old stocks I still have, because that’s slightly cheaper then building/ordering newer ones”.
No, there isn’t a contradiction in the argument. There is one in reality: There is no independent authority (police force/judical system) making countries accountable for breaking the law. We tried to build up something comparable on the judical side of things but those still lack the ability to enforce their rulings.
So it boils down to “fortifying your door” and being able to defend it against the few people really determined to tear it down.
Is international law propaganda now?
No international law is international law.
The international court is interpreting international law.
Crying about Germany’s support of a genocide while the International Court of Justice (and thus international law) disagrees -and lists factual reasons for their decision- however is either desinformation or a lie.
Help me out here… What do you call desinformation/lies spread to further your agenda again?
Then take a closer look at all the changes to election systems, constant violations of their own laws, corruption and the massive amount of state propaganda they needed to establish over the years to keep staying in power.
What does prevent your stuff from getting stolen all the time? Your ability to lock your door and a state-operated police and judical system that oversees the adherence to laws or the sign over your open door that everyone can come in an take your stuff unpunished?
What does prevent an agressive neighbour with no regards to laws from invading you? The ability to defend yourself making an attempt too costly or your active work on being as helpless as possible and appeasing the aggressor?
Yeah keep eating up the propaganda of how air defense, submarines and ships -that carry the aforementioned air-defense- (about 90%+ of all military deliveries to Israel) are used to genocide Palestinians and is totally not defense against actual hostile neighbours.
PS Also actual stuff classified as “weapons” in those military deliveries of the last years consist (after striking of training ammunition and some explosives for testing purposes in military development) one single order. One. That was for anti-tank weapons (source: the International Court of Justice, as cited for example here.)
Yes, I know… actual details are always bad for keeping some ideological black and white view of reality. But you can in fact criticise the pseudo fascist fanatics in the Israelian government and their genocidal idiocy and not support their action in Gaza while at the same time acknowledging that this does not take away from the fact that Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself against the very real threats in their neighbourhood.
From what I heard the European armies match Russias army in power overall
“match”:
And that’s before accounting for quality of equipment or training of operators.
Damn, are we really that afraid of Russia invading Europe?
No, we are afraid of Germany having an actual army. But telling the biggest economy to just lay back and chill is no option either.
So we need to find a way for them to waste enormous amounts of money on defense without getting anything to show.
Enter: conscription.
Because this way you can then spend massive amounts of money on infrastructure for a lot of people instead of buying actual stuff like equipment or ammunition. And as a bonus for the country that has perfected keeping the population poor and on low wages while the top 1% make all the money (see: Germany’s GDP while at the same time having a median wealth more fitting for eastern Europe*), they can get a lot new slaves serfs forced workers cheap labor from those refusing to serve to optimise corporate profits even more.
*reference (because I know people love to deny reality): median/wealth…
And with this I achieved my ultimate bingo being called a genocidal israeli nazi, a jew hating terrorist supporter and a performative centrist in the last 48 hours… all in reaction to arguing the exact same points each time. 🎉
Not per se. But if criticising a genocide is seen as invalid if it doesn’t also include that the respective other side is blameless and faultless, then it is indeed about the tribalism. If the fact that Palestinians for decades refused a two state-solution just like Israel in combination with slogans like “from the river to the sea” -thus also seeing a genocide as the only satisfying solution- does take away from or in any way diminishes Israel’s genocide, you might care more about “your team” than about people dying.
Which is exactly the reasons why I already stated that “they should not be delivered” in my comment above. But the thing here is that we won’t have that rational discussion about them when people still loudly scream at anti-air frigattes as support for a genocide. Ffs… even the aforementioned helmets ould fit that category better.