If I had a phone set up like that, and, say, ICE or TSA took it, what would they be able to get from it? And I know that legally they can’t make you give up your PIN, but what’s to keep them from just beating it out of you? Cops of any stripe rarely if ever face consequences for their actions, especially in the US.
If I had a phone set up like that, and, say, ICE or TSA took it, what would they be able to get from it?
Depends on what state it’s in. If it’s in lockdown mode, nothing. GOS blocks all access to data via the USB. If it’s unlocked, everything that’s not locked by further authentication.
but what’s to keep them from just beating it out of you
Nothing. That doesn’t mean you should willingly consent to it.
That doesn’t mean you should willingly consent to it.
Rubber hose cryptanalysis.
Most of us wouldn’t stand 5 minutes of torture (I know I’ll break in 1 minute), so don’t start a fight you cant win. This is the border, most of the constitution doesn’t apply, and this was way before this admin, most administrations just wasn’t that insane as the current one, but the law was already there.
So just bring a burner phone and just give them the pin.
I’ve seen this a lot recently. This isn’t about what police can do, it’s about border crossings. You can be required to unlock your device when entering the country or be denied entry (or possibly worse).
The best route is to have a phone specifically for travel.
Use GrapheneOS and switch to PIN authentication didabling fingerprint auth, especially when travelling abroad.
If I had a phone set up like that, and, say, ICE or TSA took it, what would they be able to get from it? And I know that legally they can’t make you give up your PIN, but what’s to keep them from just beating it out of you? Cops of any stripe rarely if ever face consequences for their actions, especially in the US.
Depends on what state it’s in. If it’s in lockdown mode, nothing. GOS blocks all access to data via the USB. If it’s unlocked, everything that’s not locked by further authentication.
Nothing. That doesn’t mean you should willingly consent to it.
Rubber hose cryptanalysis.
Most of us wouldn’t stand 5 minutes of torture (I know I’ll break in 1 minute), so don’t start a fight you cant win. This is the border, most of the constitution doesn’t apply, and this was way before this admin, most administrations just wasn’t that insane as the current one, but the law was already there.
So just bring a burner phone and just give them the pin.
(Or just avoid travelling to the US)
I’ve seen this a lot recently. This isn’t about what police can do, it’s about border crossings. You can be required to unlock your device when entering the country or be denied entry (or possibly worse).
The best route is to have a phone specifically for travel.
Sure seems like it’s about what police can do. And no, they cannot force you to do that.
This article and thread are talking about border agents, which operate under different rules/regulations than you local police officer.
While US citizens cannot be denied entry, non-citizens can if they refuse to unlock their phone. Even US citizens can have devices confiscated if you refuse to unlock the phone for them - https://www.theverge.com/policy/634264/customs-border-protection-search-phone-airport-rights. Because at the border, it’s been decided searches don’t require a warrant.